How  can we use genetics to increase our health and longevity? Find out as we speak with Islam Mansour, Co-Founder and CEO of He has a Bachelors in Bioinformatics from the Technical University of Munich.

Take away points: 

-Pharmacogenetics has potential to identify gene-drug interactions which can affect the metabolism and bioavailability a drug.

-Mental health is an under appreciated area for genetic risk factor identification although the challenges are significant

-Privacy and regulatory issues remain a significant hurdle for companies seeking to develop products and services in the genomics splace

-The service is currently available in beta at no charge for those interested in exploring their own genetic risk profile. 

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Robert Lufkin  0:03  
Welcome back to the health longevity secrets show with Dr. Robert Lufkin. How can we use genetic information to contribute to our health and longevity? Find out as we speak with Islam month tour, co founder and CEO of my genome MD. He has a Bachelor’s in bio informatics from the Technical University of Munich. Before we begin, I would like to mention that this show is separate from my teaching and research roles at the medical school which was which which I am currently affiliated. It is part of my continuing effort to bring quality evidence based information about health and longevity to the general public. Now, enjoy this interview with Islam monture. Islam on tour, Welcome to Health longevity secrets.

Islam Mansour  0:51  
Thanks very much for the invite.

Robert Lufkin  0:54  
Great, well, I’m so excited to hear about the work you’re doing. But before we dive into that, maybe you could tell us a little bit about how you came to be interested in this fascinating area?

Islam Mansour  1:09  
Well, I think I need to go back to my origin story. As you know, we’ve talked about this before, my, I have a family history of diabetes and cancer, my aunt died of cancer, and my mother has diabetes. So I know the pain of such chronic terrible disease, especially when you see them when you see people are having painful life because of them. So you, you develop empathy with them. And you want to prevent that from happening in the future for you. So I tried a lot of solutions in the market. And the problem is most of the or all of the solutions are providing you with average recommendations, do exercise, have a good diet? The healthy person stays for 60 years and do so so you need to do so. But I want something that’s specifically designed for me, not for the average guy. Because I don’t know, maybe the average is better than me, or maybe I am. I am above the average? I don’t know. So as I am a pharmacist and due to my background, I knew that the answer is in genomics, because everyone has a unique genetic profile. And if you could apply that genetic profile into your daily life, we could have personalized care plans. And that means you could have care plans, not only based on average recommendations, but it takes into consideration your genetic profile, your genetic information, your family history, and all of these factors, not only your history factors, or your clinical factors. So for example, if we could apply that genetic information into mental health, we could detect mental disorders five to 10 years advance. And that’s exciting. And also if we could apply genetic information into cardiovascular disease, we could we could allow people to have specific beta blockers or specific drugs, that that prevents them from having strokes in the future. That means we are now in an era that we want people to prevent the diseases in the first place from happening, not waiting until they have them. So that was very exciting and very fascinating for me and I wanted to dive in. And that was the start for my genome. But that’s that’s not everything. So for a topic, not everything goes according to plan, I find that 80% of primary care physicians are not comfortable or they lack genetic expertise. They live with two genetic experts who are very low number compared to the demand on them. So people would wait for months just for efficient with a genetic counselor to understand their genetic profile. And yeah, from that point, I knew that I need to do something.

Robert Lufkin  4:37  
So this the the problem is access to expert genetic counseling information and and from what you’re saying if I understand it correctly, the individual would get a simple genetic test like a Not a full gene sequencing, but just a genotyping test one of the inexpensive ones from 23andme, or, or one of the many vendors out there, which typically involves just sending in a saliva sample. And then they would get that information back. And then you, you all would take it from there, is that correct?

Islam Mansour  5:23  
That’s correct. But also, I’d like to add something very important. When you go to genetic counselor, first, you go to a genetic counselor, when you don’t have any idea about genomic medicine, or what that is, or what genetic testing is. So you go first to a genetic counselor to understand your genetic profile. That means you understand what’s the role of genetics, to your vitals, to your health, vitals, what’s the role of genetics compared to your medical history, your family history, is genetic counseling is about connecting all of this information to create your story, as I would say, and after that, he would visit genetic counselor recommend a genetic test for you, if you would like to take it, or you wouldn’t, that’s your choice. The problem. The second problem, after going through that process, after understanding your genetic profile, there is no solution available now in the market that would help you to monitor your health based on your genetic profiles. What that means that I want to get a test from 23andme or ancestry. That’s great. And I would get the information after doing my silhouette test. But the next step is, I’d like to do something with this information. I’d like to apply this information into my daily life, to stay healthy. To achieve longevity, not only to have this information to play with or to have as a general knowledge, we would like to tell people, no, this is very valuable information. We could create very powerful insights that would help you all over your life. And that’s the role of measurement. There.

Robert Lufkin  7:19  
What types of insights so could you give a few examples of how this type of genomic counseling could influence us in the in the lifestyle choices we take?

Islam Mansour  7:33  
Yeah, for sure. So let’s talk about pharmacogenomics. That’s very exciting part and machine. There’s a drug called the Plavix. Dino. Plavix, it’s the second if I’m saying it, right. It’s the second sell drug in the United States, the second most prescribed drug in the United States.

Robert Lufkin  8:01  
Yes. So for coagulation for its great effects. People with atrial fibrillation and other conditions like that may be using it.

Islam Mansour  8:10  
Okay. Due to due to adverse drug reactions, around a billion dollar of sales is wasted. Every year. It sells is around $6.5 billion, and around a billion dollar is wasted because 90% of drugs work only in 30% of people. So you can imagine how much are we wasting due to adverse drug reactions or due to drugs that doesn’t to work and people? According to statistics in the United States annually, $136 billion is wasted. So, which was genetic testing. With pharmacogenomics? We have the ability and the chance to save around $25,000 per patient per year. So we we are shifting from say that all people should take Plavix when they want to have an anticoagulant, to saying no, some people would take Plavix, some people would take another alternative and do it that approach. We would save a lot of costs for the health system and these costs would help us to stay a would would, let’s say that if people live until 80, or 90 Health System is not ready right now to help all of these people with the costs that we are wasting or the money we are wasting or money or we are investing but if we can would save that money for the people who need it. We could achieve that goal.

Robert Lufkin  10:06  
Well, that’s very significant with Plavix. How many other drugs? Are there? Are there genetic biomarkers for that influenced your metabolism in that way?

Islam Mansour  10:18  
According to FDA, there are now more than 120 drugs in the United States that have genetic biomarkers. And one of the most interesting insights about my genome that we have a vision in the future, if we have enough customer base, we could partner with pharma companies with our unique real time data that’s generated from our users, and that would mass produce such drugs? So we are expecting instead of 120, with my genome in five years, maybe we could have 300 or 400 trucks?

Robert Lufkin  10:55  
Wow, that’s that’s, yeah, that’s significant. So they, they, rather than doing full genome sequencing, which is more expensive, it’s getting more affordable all the time. Instead, it’s possible to do the more economical genome typing where certain snips or single nucleotide polymorphisms are detected within the sample. For this standard consumer versions of genotyping that, like we mentioned before, the 23andme, the, etc. Do if I get those done? Do they provide the snips that are necessary to identify the the 120, drug? genetic effects that you mentioned? Or will that require a new specialized type of gene Oh typing bit that you’ll be developing for your product?

Islam Mansour  11:56  
Actually, right now, there are available genetic tests for genes that are important for Plavix and for the 120 tests. So there would be no problem if we would like to give a patient a genetic test, but the problem would be recommending the patient the right test. That’s the problem. Right now, there is no shortage of genetic tests in the market, there is more than 75,000 genetic tests in the market. That’s very huge.

Robert Lufkin  12:36  
Is that the vendors are the actual snips they’re testing it?

Islam Mansour  12:42  
I would say a mix of both. I don’t remember the exact numbers, but it makes it worse. But as you can see, there is a huge amount of generalists right now. And the problem is not many people know, even about genomic medicine or the potential orphan. Hmm. So that’s what that’s also a part of my genome, we would like to, we would like to educate people and educate users. What is nomic mentioned? What’s the potential why it’s very important why it’s like, there was saying in our, in our workshop that I’ve attended, a genetic counselor, or genomic medicine is like air conditioning. When you don’t have it, you’d say, Okay, I don’t need it. But once you try it, you would never forget.

Robert Lufkin  13:37  
That’s great. Well, the, the the, the 120 genes that that influenced the metabolism of drugs would be I’d love to get that on myself. And certainly our audience, you know, would would like who’s interested in health and longevity? We’d like to know if that resveratrol they’re taking or that Metformin or the rapid mice and or they na D supplements are going to be metabolized normally, or do they need a higher dose or lower dose? So which which testing companies would currently provide those 120 genes or is that something that needs to be developed to put together as a service?

Islam Mansour  14:25  
Right now them two most famous companies for sure are 23andme and ancestry. such companies are providing tests with great reports. And to great results, we must say that there are also many new emerged startups that are offering genetic testing for users to try them direct to consumer as an F test and they are also cheap. But still, the problem is or the challenge of For all of these genetic tests, how could I know what shouldn’t exist? should I take? And how could I know if I’m even need a genetic test?

Robert Lufkin  15:13  
So what you’re saying then is the sort of the standard consumer ones 23andme, or ancestry, etc, etc. And there are many, many other companies that do this. But, but those standard tests are all we need. And then we would just need to be able to interpret it correctly to understand those 120 gene drug interactions, and that’s where your your company might genome AMD may be able to, to help provide that service. Is that right? So I just, I would download my data from one of those vendors after I’ve had the sequencing done, and then send that off to you. And then you would perform that higher level analysis of all the interactions and things there for.

Islam Mansour  16:01  
Yeah, exactly, exactly. And not only that, we would also provide you with health care plan, personalized health care plans, that that would tell you that how to integrate this information into daily life, that they would be usable all over your life, not only having them on your phone so that you that you could use them track your plan. And also you could have a more empowered discussions with your health care providers, so that you could talk with your general physician and more details about you, not waiting for someone else. Because as I’ve said, In the beginning, 80% of primary care physicians lacked genetic expertise. So they wouldn’t talk about it or they wouldn’t use it. But right now, when you have the information in your hand, you could ask them, you could discuss more with them.

Robert Lufkin  17:04  
Yeah, the 120 drug gene interactions is very, very compelling and is obviously useful information. What what other lifestyle modifications have? Have you seen that genetic profile can help people make more informed choices about their lifestyle.

Islam Mansour  17:30  
One of the most interesting parts for me in genetic testing, and it’s recently getting, as I would say, as a hot topic is mental health. There is right now, clinics that offer the genetic counseling for mental disorders that would help people just with genetic counseling sessions have a more holistic approach about their mental health. Which means that if we could add the seminal history part, to the medical history of an individual and having psychotherapy with them, they could prevent the mental disorders like anxiety, depression, or even Alzheimer’s five to 10 years in advance. And that’s very interesting and very exciting news that I was astonished first time I heard about that. And I was wondering why this information or why the services are not available to everyone because 25% of adults in the United States are affected or would be affected in the future with mental health disorder.

Robert Lufkin  18:50  
What type of disorder

Islam Mansour  18:52  
and anxiety I see Yeah, yeah, exactly mental health like anxiety or depression. And if we could prevent that in advance or if we could have more positive outcomes using genetic information about an vidual it’s incredible

Robert Lufkin  19:15  
Yeah, that’s certainly that’s certainly a valuable goal and and for for Alzheimer’s disease as you mentioned, the a PO E for a Leo is an carries an increased risk for the disease and that can be detected with you know, these these snips in all now for for depression and other types of mental disorders. My understanding is that they associate as the association is not quite as strong so that’s the that’s the challenge. I guess that there’s there’s not a single O’Neill necessarily, but it’s more apologetic situation. But yeah,

Islam Mansour  20:00  
I’d like to, just to say that in these situations for these mental disorders, it’s not a genetic test that decides on them. But we could say that when we, when people understand the role of genetics, the role of gene economic information into getting such disorders, if they make more informed decisions into their life, instead of just saying to all people, you know, just relax, just meditate. And you would be okay, no, we say to every person, maybe according to your history, you have a higher risk of getting that this order, other than other group of people. So maybe you need a more special care. So we would give them more deep personalized care plans. When other groups the idea of stress, stratification stratification is very exciting.

Robert Lufkin  21:08  
That’s fascinating. And in what the what other types of recommendations Can people can people take from that day after day doing the testing and getting the report from your company? So they would they would learn about the mental health issues and the drug interactions is very, very valuable. Any other things they would they could learn from this?

Islam Mansour  21:35  
Actually, what do you like to say that we help people first to know which genetic test they need, whether they needed a genetic test for gene pharmacogenomics for drugs, or whether the genetic test for mental health or for cardiovascular disease? That’s the most interesting part after that, after getting the test, they would get a personalized care plan based on the results they have? I send that personalized care plan using our mobile app they would be able to attract over time. I see. That’s the very interesting part here.

Robert Lufkin  22:13  
I see. I see. And and are you are you looking any any in addition to this specific disease markers for cardiovascular disease, or dementia or mental health issues or pharmaco? gene interactions? are you tracking any longevity? Any longevity type genes or any longevity patterns?

Islam Mansour  22:41  
For sure, we are we are working on that Currently, we are still in beta phase. So we are concentrating on the available genetic tests that are most widely used and most widely asked for. But for sure, we are walking in developing more personalized care plans based on the longevity genes, specific genes that relate to longevity, for sure. But we are still saying that if you follow the personalized care plans of my genome, if you get a genetic test and get a genetic counseling session, and you have done all of that you are on the right track for longevity than someone who just follow the average recommendations.

Robert Lufkin  23:37  
Sure, sure. Yeah. Yeah, decreasing your risk of dementia, heart disease, cancer shows. If you diminish all those, then longevity is bound to go up. So in addition to the mental health and drug interactions, and and cardiovascular disease, are there any other large disease categories that you target with your counseling?

Islam Mansour  24:06  
For sure, there’s genetic counseling has many applications right now. One of the most interesting would be in pediatrics, for children and also, or for nutrition. And for nutrition that’s getting expanding. month over month, we have a lot of companies like now that offers genetic tests that would help you to find the perfect diet based on your genes and to find the optimal supplements based on your genetic profile, and that’s a very interesting part that we would like to expand into. Also, we would like to help people to have the perfect diet for preventing Think, specific diseases based on their genetic profile. And not also that we would like to help them to track the care plan that we they would get from us. And with that we would help them to prevent diseases from happening. And even if disease appears, they would, they would know and they would talk with their doctors as soon as possible. Hmm. Yeah, that’s

Robert Lufkin  25:30  
that’s very, very interesting. In addition to the the genome typing, people, experts have famously used the analogy that the genetics, the genome is like the hardware and now there’s this growing interest in the epigenetic modification of the of the DNA through DNA methylation or histone modification or RNA. Are you are you currently looking at any epigenetic factors? Or are you planning to move into that field are mainly focusing on the primary DNA?

Islam Mansour  26:13  
For now? For now, we are currently focusing on Premiere DNA, for sure. But the most interesting part about epigenetic that we provide for people we also say to some people came to us and they are hesitant to take a genetic test. I mean, what do you think our interviews our product? validation phase, we spoke with so many customers, and some people were very interesting and signed up with us to try the app. And then they said, they will get into this. But some people said, Okay, I would use the app, but I wouldn’t get a genetic test. Because if I get a genetic test, and it had negative results, or to say that I would have cancer 10 or 20 years, I would be honored if I know that, and maybe I would be worse often. But we tell people based on epigenetics, if you follow some instructions, if you follow some clear guidelines that’s specifically designed for you, you could prevent a specific gene from firing gene expressions, or you could prevent a specific gene from expressing itself. And by that you would prevent the disease from happening. So you would be in a much better place than other individual who doesn’t even know which gene he has.

Robert Lufkin  27:56  
Yeah, that that’s that’s a very good point. As someone once said, I think that the our DNA is like the the hand we were dealt in a game of cards, but then our lifestyle is how we choose to play that hand and it can have very different outcomes, like you say that the the gene expression and the firing of the gene can be controlled by epigenetic modification through our lifestyle and and yeah,

Islam Mansour  28:28  
actors. Exactly. Exactly.

Robert Lufkin  28:31  
One issue always comes up with some of my patients and others about privacy with getting genetic testing, people are afraid that they, you know that it is very revealing. It’s it’s a tremendous amount of information even with phenotyping. And I, I know, one patient said that he used an assumed name, a made up name when he sent his into the consumer testing lab. But I guess the point is, it doesn’t matter if you use your real name or your real address, because the information uniquely identifies you, whether they know your name or not, it’s like a photo of yourself with a different name. The photo is the information. Any any thoughts on that and privacy?

Islam Mansour  29:29  
I would speak about ourselves in my genome do we are developing HIPAA, HIPAA compliant platform? In United States, there are many guidelines and many rules regarding digital health data. I would like to say to audience that really for any digital health, startup or digital health companies to provide a service in this field, we have so many challenges and regulations, rather than Any other type of startups? Yeah. Because of HIPAA regulations, FDA, many regulations from governments that vary from country to country. So it’s very hard right now to say, to launch just a half a startup and leak patient information. That would be I would say, it would destroy a company. Sure. And sure enough, in no time. And that’s why we are focusing right now to make our platform very, very secure HIPAA compliant. We are applying for your conditional accreditation, which is like the golden star for that. Security. Yeah. What Yeah, cost us a lot of money and a lot of time, but that’s what we need to guarantee the data privacy of our patients.

Robert Lufkin  31:04  
Yeah. So to be clear, the genetic information would be protected by HIPAA in the United States are whatever regulations are in effect in the country that that that our audiences in that will protect that information as if it were were medical information?

Islam Mansour  31:23  
Exactly, exactly.

Robert Lufkin  31:25  
And I understand that, currently, you’re looking for beta users for your product to test it at no charge, is that correct? For sure,

Islam Mansour  31:35  
we are very happy. And we welcome anyone who would like to use my genome who would like to send us any questions about our app, we are very excited about getting any piece of feedback because we are developing our product based on the feedback of our customers.

Robert Lufkin  31:55  
Great, well, we’ll include information in the show notes on how to how to get to you. And also for people that are listening, can you tell us the website they should go to to find any information,

Islam Mansour  32:10  
for sure, anyone could go to our website And there is a form for requesting a demo or and if you fill the form and send it to us, we will send our by our web app for you. We are complete, we have finished our alpha version. And we are currently in developing our beta and we are looking for beta testers.

Robert Lufkin  32:36  
Great, great hopefully, that’s it that sounds interesting. Now with with all your information and knowledge about pharmacology and and genetics, and and you’re interested in health and longevity, it’s always fun to ask our experts. What What does your lifestyle look like? What what choices have you made in your life about exercise, diet, sleep, supplements that you feel are important for for health and longevity? Okay,

Islam Mansour  33:17  
you would have a lot of things to say. But I would say that the most important factor and very underrated right now is our brain, our mental health. I would say that, first and foremost, take care of your mental mental, if you have any mental health issue, if you have an anxiety or depression, I wouldn’t imagine that the person affected by such disorders would make rational decisions about the rest of his life. I mean, if I am depressed, it’s very hard to quit smoking. If I’m depressed. It’s very hard to say to me, let’s go and run for 30 minutes every morning. So first and foremost, mental health.

If you need to go to a consultant or psychiatrist, it’s worth and there is no there’s no shame on it. I mean,

Robert Lufkin  34:31  
certainly, yeah.

Islam Mansour  34:33  
The bad part about mentors is that it still has a shame to go to a therapist or go to a psychiatrist. But I would say that from my experience, the influence of mental health is huge. I I myself, was depressed for some time. I can remember and during that time It was around for around three months. I got Wait, I did it. And I didn’t work out like I used to. I didn’t. I mean, mostly I would walk a walk in the morning for an hour. But during that time, I didn’t do all of that I wanted to sleep on. Yeah, it’s very bad. So anyone, please take care of your mentors. That’s number one priority.

Robert Lufkin  35:30  
Yeah, that’s a good a good principle. If I could just interject here, we this program is about lifestyle, and health and longevity. And, and these are very important foundational things to do. But I have to have to, say, wearing my hat for conventional medicine. If, if one of the diseases arises where it’s a mental health disease, or it’s cancer, or it’s a heart attack, or a stroke or dementia, these should be treated with the primary conventional conventional medicine treatments. We know lifestyle can be added on, but there are specific treatments for cancer or for mental health. And it’s important to address these, in addition to all the lifestyle things that we do.

Islam Mansour  36:18  
Yeah, exactly, exactly. But I would say that mental health need to be more aware about because many people are really unexcited and depressed. And they don’t know, they don’t even realize that they have such disorders, and they need to be at. So number one, I would like to speak about mental health. And for sure, after that comes, the supplements, your diet, what you eat this thing, what you eat, tells me more about who you are. So

Robert Lufkin  37:00  
what sort of diet do you have? Or do you have any preferences with fat or carbohydrates or fasting? Bet? That sort of thing?

Islam Mansour  37:10  
Actually, for me myself, I would decrease the amount of sugar intake and the amount of fats for sure. But there is a problem that if someone gets lower carbide is that the lower than he needs? what he needs, then this would be very bad. I mean, yeah, for sure, you can decrease your carbohydrates, but not for an amount that would help you not to have energy, because carpet is the most powerful source of energy. So yeah, many people don’t take sugar. But it’s very important to have it in a moderate level.

Robert Lufkin  38:03  
The low carb advocates just sort of putting in the other side, they they’re there, they claim that there’s a energy can be derived from ketones, and there’s like, even now Olympic athletes and all that are running in ketosis and performing on that level. So there is a contrary opinion about that, that people can exist with very low carb consumption and and even the brain can run on ketones there but but that’s that’s a topic for another discussion. But yeah, for sure, please go on. And what about supplements? I understand you take a huge array of supplements. What are your choices and why?

Islam Mansour  38:50  
Actually, for supplements? For me, I would take supplements that are organic, organic, coming organically resource, that’s my priority. And I would take also supplements that has a lot of magnesium, for sure, a lot of potassium and right now I take also some sodium, sodium, potassium, magnesium, that’s the ones that come to my mind. Because for deciem that’s very important. The potassium is in like in bananas and potassium gives you that really feeling No, and I like to take it because it really makes me happy for some reason when I take a look fit and magnesium, also a weed don’t normally eat food that that’s rich in magnesium. Normally in our life, so yeah, and for sodium, sodium is very important for as an electrolyte. And for anyone who is doing activity or any type of exercise, it’s really important to take more than a moderate amount of, of sodium. For sure.

Robert Lufkin  40:30  
Speaking of exercise, you mentioned you normally go on the walk, is there any other exercise regimen you do?

Islam Mansour  40:41  
Go on a walk sometimes. I are urien. I like to run to run. There’s a park near to me. I like to run in the nature. Yeah, I mean, walking. Sometimes I ride the bike, but not for a long time. But running and walking. Yeah, these are most important. Taking the right supplements. Also sleeping for moderate amount of time, eight to nine hours every night. I know that many people don’t sleep that much. But when I try to sleep for less than eight hours, I feel that I have a brain fog or I I don’t do well and the next day, so it’s not worth it for me.

Robert Lufkin  41:41  
Do you use any devices like continuous glucose monitors or ketone monitors or sleep, heart rate variability, any any tools like that, that help you?

Islam Mansour  41:54  
Actually right now I don’t have one. But I’d like to try. Sleep monitoring one in the future because I had some issues with sleeping in the past. And I’d like to monitor it. Even use some apps on mobile. And it was very interesting, gives you some interesting insights about the sleeping pattern. Some graphs, and I liked it. Actually, there are many, many apps right now that you could use on your phone that are very interesting and very helpful for longevity.

Robert Lufkin  42:41  
Which your favorite ones.

Islam Mansour  42:43  
For me, I use eyes. Eyes headspace, for sure. Meditation. I am one of the supporters of headspace. I tried it and I liked it. There’s also an app called the upar. I like the super zoo. upar is a chatbot. For for mental, for mental health. It’s like having your therapists but on your own while I liked it very much yooper. And there is one called the Babylon health. I don’t know if it’s famous, but billionaire is doing great work. Also, they are using the chat bot or combining AI with the medical information to give you a holistic insights about you. So I like it.

Robert Lufkin  43:44  
Those are gone. We’ll link to those in the show notes.

Islam Mansour  43:48  
Yeah, like everyone tried. And these are some examples. I mean, there are many other apps also that people can try. But I what I would say that these apps are using technology. And I would suggest anyone to eat to get to use of the available artificial intelligence technologies that are used right now to improve longevity because I don’t think that we could achieve that longevity mission without getting without using all of the technologies that we have available. Right now in our hands.

Robert Lufkin  44:42  
What do you think the most powerful technology will be for longevity,

Islam Mansour  44:50  
big data and artificial intelligence because longevity is about collecting data and creating patterns about how could we help people to stay 82 or 90 years with the good health in good shape. So right now we don’t have this available information. If we have this available information, and we could analyze it, and we could scale around the wallet, I think we could achieve that longevity.

Robert Lufkin  45:26  
Yes, that’s, that’s a great thought. And hopefully, hopefully, we’ll be seeing more and more people involved in that space and working to get the data together and everything. So I will show Yeah, yeah, and, and things are happening, things are changing so fast in this space. It’s amazing the developments that you you’re doing with your company, and so many other companies also in the longevity space. It’s a very exciting time to that to be here. But Islam, I want to thank you so much for for coming on our program, we really appreciate it and sharing your knowledge. And we wish you the best of luck with your product. And hopefully some of our audience will join you in the beta phase. I know I’m going to I’m going to try it out. And and we’re looking forward to great things.

Islam Mansour  46:18  
Thanks very much for your time, I hope I have said something or two that were useful for the audience. And if anyone excited for my genome, or if you want to ask me anything in this space, I’m available. My email, I would give it to you. And

Robert Lufkin  46:38  
go ahead tell him your email right now if you’d like and we’ll put it in the contacts also in the

Islam Mansour  46:42  
show notes. Yeah, it’s Islam dot Mansur at my

Robert Lufkin  46:48  
Great. Thank you so much, and we hope to talk again soon.

Islam Mansour  46:53  
Yeah, for sure for sure. Well,

Unknown Speaker  46:57  
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