Our understanding of aging and longevity is undergoing a revolution that is upending our existing beliefs that aging is simply the inevitable result of wear and tear on our DNA and can’t be slowed much less reversed.
James Strole is the Executive Director of the Coalition for Radical Life Extension, which is the producer of RAADfest, the largest global longevity education event of its kind. James is also the the Co-Founder and Co-Director of People Unlimited, an organization that supports people interested in unlimited lifespans. Co-author of the book Just Getting Started: Fifty Years of Living Forever, James is a visionary anti-death activist and community builder who has spoken and written on radical life extension and physical immortality for over four decades.
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Robert Lufkin 0:01
Welcome back to the health longevity secrets show and I’m your host, Dr. Robert Lufkin. Our understanding of Aging and Longevity is undergoing a revolution that is undoing our existing beliefs that aging is simply the inevitable result of wear and tear on our DNA and can’t be slowed much less reversed. James stroll is the executive director of the Coalition for radical life extension, which is the producer of RAD fest, the largest global longevity education event of its kind. James is also the co founder and co director of people Unlimited, an organization that supports people interested in unlimited lifespans. co author of the book just getting started 50 years of living forever. James is a visionary anti death activist and community builder who has spoken and written on radical life extension and physical immortality for over four decades. Thanks again, for your support of this video podcast. We appreciate any reviews that you provide, which help us to spread the word of the work that we do. As a thanks for your review, we will send you a copy of one of our most popular guests book, the path mastering the nine pillars of resilience and success by Dr. Steven siter off to receive it, just email a screenshot of your review along with your name and us address and include the title the path to mail, and AI L at Robert Lufkin md.com. We’re sorry that we can only ship to us addresses at this time. And now, please enjoy this discussion with James stroll. Hi, Jim, welcome to the show.
James Strole 2:02
Well, thank you very much, Robert, I appreciate having being on I hear you got a great show. So I was excited.
Robert Lufkin 2:08
Yeah, likewise, I’m so excited to talk to you about health and longevity, as well as the upcoming rad fest conference. But before we do that, maybe let’s just take a moment. And tell us a little bit about how you came to be so interested in this fascinating area of longevity?
James Strole 2:30
Well, well, the short story is now give you that so I don’t bore everybody too much, but very, very young age, I felt like something was wrong with debt. It had to do with actually losing my grandmother, when I was about 11. That was very close to her. And that was my first you know, painful experience, you know, with with death. You know, up until that time, you’re kind of naive, you, you are a kid and you think you’re just going to live forever, you know, you’re you haven’t been introduced to death of that from that place. And so I was very close to her. And when she died, it was pretty traumatic for me. And so I asked my mother, I said, Well, you know, when do I get to see grandmother again, you know, like, like, you know, where did you go? And of course, I was raised in a Christian home at that time. And my mother said, well, you’ll see her when you know, you die and go to heaven. And that didn’t sound too good to me, you know, the idea of me dying than having to see that. So I said, Well, I said, Well, you know, why can’t we have heaven here on earth? Now? Why do we have to die? And go to heaven? What can we create no heaven heaven here on earth and not die. And she thought, Oh, that’s a very good thought. My mother, I was lucky in that context to have a mother was pretty progressive in her thinking. And that was kind of what was called at those times a seeker is looking for new answers in life. And so she said to me, yes, is that’s a good thing to pursue. So that was kind of embedded in me at that time. And even in school, I wrote, you know, themes about it, and early age, you know, what I got into, you know, when I was in grade school, all the way up to high school, you know, I would entertain that thought I kind of put me in a different place. Fortunately, at that time, because that was, you know, I was in high school, the 60s. And that was a very tumultuous time, of course, with all the scene going on with you know, Vietnam and, and also the use of the drug scene. And this this idea, though, kind of put me into kind of a, I’ll say a higher level of movement for myself, even though I was also you know, typical kid played sports and everything else. I got involved even at an early age in a with a teacher here in Phoenix that was teaching what was called integral yoga. And the master of that that practice was, his name was Surrey Aurobindo. And he, his idea he was kind Like Abraham Lincoln of India, he wanted to bring together all the yogi’s to use their, what he called their super consciousness to create a super body that would not die. And, and so he was then to immortality and so that actually, that drew me in as interesting, as you probably know, Robert, that when, you know, you have an attention in something, you seem to draw that, you know, to you in your life. And so, you know, I got bogged down with that practice at early ages about 14 and attend those classes and everything, and it was putting kind of a, say the least a life saving thing for me, because I became a very good student, and I actually, this the teacher who was actually a certified, you know, teacher in that in this field, and had a religious degree, actually wrote a letter to the draft board at that time. Not that there was a draft dodger by, but he wrote when he wrote up, he wrote, he wrote a letter to draft board and, and got me out of the war for as a divinity student, which that’s what I was doing, I was practicing, you know, yoga at that time and, and integral yoga. And but that was such a amazing experience for me at that time. And then later on, when in about 1968, I met the partner that I’m working with now, Bernadine Brown, and another associate that she was working with, they were speaking about immortality, and super longevity at that time. And they were saying it was possible. And there was no real science at that time around it. But but there was also a very innate feeling in them that something was wrong with that, and that immortality or super longevity was possible. And so they were speaking about that. And I really was drawn to that to them. And in 1971, like I said, this is a short story in 1971, I started working with them, and traveling and speaking on Super longevity and immortality all across United States. And we got some pretty amazing response at that time we run television shows. We eventually got into the Larry King Show, speaking about immortality.
That was pretty, pretty exciting. At that time, Larry King actually embraced our concept completely he what he he wanted to live he after the show, he took pictures with us, and he said, I hope you guys are right, because I want to live forever. So pretty phenomenal. And then there’s a whole new background to him that, you know, he he was really interested also in joining Alcor, you know, but that didn’t work out at the time. So. So that’s what led me to do what I’m doing today. bernadina, nine and 1996 formed this new company called people unlimited. And we were we it’s a organization that’s dedicated to the education and the connection and the inspiration for people to live on limited lifespans. And now it’s an international community. We’re based here in Scottsdale, Arizona, and it’s an open membership. And we have quite a few members that are actually very dedicated to, to actually propelling this new, this new, I’ll say now very more, more well known all the time concept of unlimited lifespans. So that’s been a very exciting journey. I’m so happy today, though, I’m very excited. Because now back in 1971, when Brian I started together, no one’s even ticket speaking longevity, much less super longevity. And so now we’re so happy because we’ve met all these, you know, people now and scientists and doctors and thought leaders that are actually working on on this, there’s already great data. And as you know, I’ll say pretty substantiated proof that we’re going to make it happen. It’s just now a matter of matter of when, and I always say hey, it’s going to happen someday. So So why should you be a part of it? You know, why, why? Why not? When actually, yeah, when I actually experience that you also can be a part of this great new, I’ll say paradigm, this whole new venture this and be a pioneer for this new life. And so that’s what’s going on. And now we’re in 19, excuse me, in 2015, Brett and I started reaching out to the whole radical life extension community, the super longevity community. And that’s where we met a lot of doctors and scientists and thought leaders that, you know, one of our participation they helped create, especially bat caught and that would actually galvanize that radical life insurance to essentially community. And so that’s what we did. We formed a event called rad fest revolution against aging and death. And in 2016, we had our first event, and it was a huge success. We had over 1000 people added and it’s been growing every year. So that’s, that’s kind of, like I say the the summary we actually wrote a book on this called Living Forever or just getting started. And, and so was people can read get more details that they like, and but that’s the basic story of how I got involved and where we are today.
Robert Lufkin 10:11
Yeah, I love that you are in the space of, of radical life expansion and really immortality which is, which is kind of one extreme of you know, some of the academic researchers in longevity are talking about, you know, a five year or a 10 year increase. But yours is is kind of the other end of the extreme. And I think there’s, there’s a place for for all all viewpoints in this community. And we, you know, we all want we all want the same thing, ultimately, and we approach it differently. And and I love your book, The the just getting started, as you said the 50 years of living forever. Such a great title. What What have you seen in the last 50 years? And as far as in this longevity space? What are the most exciting things that have been have changed between when you started this in, in the 1970s? To now what, what how, what’s the transition with longevity research and the possibilities that you see now that you didn’t see 50 years ago?
James Strole 11:18
Yeah, thank you for asking that. Because it’s been pretty enormous has been like a quantum leap. Even in the last, I’d say, five to six years, from the time we started wrapmaster. One thing, a lot of the scientists and doctors that were, you know, top of their field that can you read that started collaborating together. And also they got we were able to get meet other entrepreneurs investors at RAD fest, which helped promote what they’re doing. I mean, Greg Vai, for example, Dr. Greg Fay is able to now he’s the first actual person, individual that’s able to have proof of actual age reversal with the thymus gland. And I think it was two and a half years data on this, that he was able to actually prove that you can reverse aging, the thymus. And of course, that has a lot of other cascading effects, you know, on the body. So that was a pretty enormous thing that he first announced that I think it was in 2019, if I, if I remember that data, and then along with that, it’s been a while, just so many great new gene therapies. Dr. Bill Andrews, with Sierra scientists is working on a gene therapy now that can actually relate to the telomeres and reverse aging. He’s got the he’s got all the science on that. He’s got the all the formulas, patent. And he’s ready. In fact, he’s looking for funding now to actually go into trials with that, and and create actually create a pill on a molecule for him that we can actually be able to take. Now this is this is really extraordinary. I mean, this is a contrast like, like you say, between when you know Bernie and I started talking this 1971 We’re actually there was no science other than we went one day about a couple of years about Thank you study three or four I think it was when Joshua Dr. Joshua Lederberg, great Nobel Prize winner was visiting here in Vegas, and he actually made the statement that immortality is possible. But that’s the first time we heard any scientist, that was pretty extraordinary. Back in 1974, you know, actually say that, and of course, we tried to meet him at that time, US science science arena was pretty tight, and we didn’t know how to and we didn’t have the internet to reach out with. So it’s pretty hard. But so from that time to now that we have actually had these protocols, initiatives on the table, honest analytic programs, you know, everything from the sap DM to, to rapamycin to you name it, I mean, you’re working with rapamycin in such a great way and which is, you know, I commend you on all these new senolytics All the new CRISPR you name it down the line now that’s coming forth, Sands is working on amazing things themselves. So they’ve been making a lot of progress here. And actually, you know, the idea with with that abi, Dr. Aubrey de Grey has is that you, you like your like a classic car, you know, and we keep, you know, fixing that car up all the time and repairing the parts. And that’s how we’ll get you what they call a longevity escape velocity, to where we’re to where we’re regenerating ourselves faster than we’re aging. So that’s the sands concept, you know, so all these others deliver. Great, you know, science that’s happened just just in the last five years. So exponentially everything is moving so fast. I’m excited for the next five years, I actually believe that we will have a age reversal therapy available to us and within the next five years. That’s my gosh,
Robert Lufkin 14:52
yeah, it’s so it’s such an exciting time now in longevity. I agree with you totally that it’s almost as If we’re seeing an acceleration of knowledge, you mentioned rapamycin, which is a love of mine and an interest of mine, the protein that it acts on mTOR wasn’t even discovered until 1996. And then a toffee G, the Nobel Prize for that wasn’t even awarded until 2016. And the Yamanaka factors for epigenetic reprogramming, I think the Nobel Prize was early 2000s, for that. So it’s things are just happening faster and faster and faster. It’s such an exciting time to have
James Strole 15:38
a great time is a great such a great time to live. I mean, interesting enough, in the midst of all the chaos is going on in the world. And the midst of that is this is this great rising, you might say are the ashes of this opportunity for new life, right? So, so beautiful, in one sense, it’s horrible that we have still war and some of the primitive things that go on, that we have to deal with in this world. But we don’t hear about the news about all these other great things happening. So so people can really have, you know, some, I’ll say, hope for the human future. Because, really, there’s always been war, there’s always been conflict. I mean, I think now we’re hearing it more than ever, because we have, you know, media outlets that are, you know, more more valuable than ever, you know, the internet and everything else. So, there’s always been a struggle that’s gone on. And I really think this new year that we’re talking about a super longevity can take us out of that human struggle, because we’re going to create a value of human life has never been before, and we’ll think twice about destroying ourselves and one another.
Robert Lufkin 16:44
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, if you think you think longevity is about abundance, and abundance, or the lack of abundance is what drives conflict and war, and many times and by creating abundance through longevity, and other means we we hopefully will decrease decrease war and other things as well.
James Strole 17:05
Exactly. I mean, I think I think really, it’s, I hate to say at one level, but it’s the only way because I think it’s the death struggle, the death program that goes on in the body, that keeps us destroying each other. In fact, there’s a recent study. I don’t know if you’ve heard about it, at University of Arizona. It’s called the Terra. Terra. Fear of fear of death, death para syndrome, that the study was done that the terror of death is so strong in our bodies, that we are able to increase the psychosis, it creates anxiety, it creates disease, and it creates a constant struggle in ourselves. The conflict within ourselves is so enormous that we don’t even realize that sometimes on a conscious level. By ending aging to these guys is a really beautiful study. Actually, Dr. Aubrey de Grey sent that to me about a year ago. And I think it’s pretty he says a lot about the death program. Because that’s how I consider what death is. It’s really like a program in our bodies that death. You know, most people are programmed that death is inevitable because they it says all they seen but but as you know, as we all know, okay, just because something you know, has not been achieved yet does not mean it can’t be achieved. I mean, we can look at everything from going into space is to cell phones, you name it all the great technical, logical advancements flying, we always thought as human beings Oh, that’s impossible, you know, right? Until we see it happen. So So immortality super longevity, or, I mean, even if a person just wants to extend their life, like you said earlier, whatever that choice is, there needs to be the opportunity for that. Okay, even if you want to extend your life, just 50 years, everybody should have the right to live as long as they want to live.
Robert Lufkin 18:47
Yeah, absolutely. One of the one of the great debates in longevity, I guess is is is a philosophical view of of why we age and I wanted to get your view on this. Do you think aging is just the the inevitable result of accumulated wear and tear on our bodies? Like, you know, DNA mutations, etc? Or alternatively, do you feel that aging is a program that can be modified and, and changed?
James Strole 19:24
Well, like I said, there’s a lot of different views on that. I think there is a mental program there if nothing else, I think we know that for sure. Because most people like you say when when they even hear the idea of super longevity. They you know, reject it because they’ve been taught different. And they’ll even say that, you know, oh no, versus I’ve had people actually say to me, and these were healthy people and, and vibrant people and, and they will say oh no, we’re supposed to die. We’re we’re you know, that’s that’s like like it’s a law you know, from wherever it comes from we’re from God or from the heavens or wherever or ever pollution. And, and so I understand that, but we have to understand to the same time we’re human as human beings, we get very, very caught up and are in our habits, you know, and and these habits get very ingrained. And then we begin to, we begin to believe many times in our own bad habits. Sometimes we build religions around them. So, so we have to be more, I’ll say, it pays for us to be more pliable, more flexible and that way, and then understand that really, no matter what we’ve seen around aging and death, okay. Not only is it beatable, but it’s going to happen. And because because that’s the next new, I’ll say, phenomenal frontier that we are faced with. We can’t keep taking, dealing with least limited lifespans and really prosper as human beings. We can’t take death into space. You know, we need to end this conflict and in our in our own bodies. And I feel the vileness of this and this is why to help be a part of it, and I’m really, I’m really thrilled and honored to be a part of this whole arena, because I’m not a scientist. I’m a doctor, I’m, I’m a galvanizers of people. I’m Greg Fay, call me the W gram of radical life extension. I love it. I thought, Oh, okay. Well, oh, man. Oh, that has you know, I am evangelistic about this cause I’m inspired by it. I’ve always been, and I, so everybody needs to be played the role that they play that to help get this done?
Robert Lufkin 21:49
Yeah, you’re, you’re absolutely right. When you say about our belief system to there, there are many pernicious beliefs that we have about longevity in our society that you know, that, that old people are frail that old people don’t remember things, which people are conflating chronic disease and with longevity, and they’re not necessarily the same as certainly longevity as a risk factor, the greatest risk factor for chronic disease, but aging in itself doesn’t mean that you have to get those diseases necessarily. You know, I’m a radiologist by training. So I see that in our x ray reports that, that we dictate things that say normal for age, you know, what does that mean? Well, there’s brain atrophy, there’s all this stuff. And that’s not really true. That’s not normal for age necessarily. And, and those beliefs can really, really affect things. You kind of
James Strole 22:51
put that unfair label on an aging, right and older people, because then people buy into that they think all you hear it all the time, well, I’m 70, or maybe so this is just comes along with a turf, you know, I’m gonna get this, I’m gonna get that. But the reality is, it doesn’t have to be that way. And we know that for sure. Exactly. Just basic longevity protocols, you can do now, just basic health, we’re not talking about radical life extension protocols, just the just what’s out there now available for everyone to do that are just basic, great wellness protocols that can keep your health into I mean, I’m, I’ve been here now on the planet, I don’t say old. Part of the new mindset, I say, I’ve been here, you know, for going on 74 years.
Robert Lufkin 23:41
I like it.
James Strole 23:43
Yeah. And so I’m better than ever, you know, in that context, I’m very thankful that I’ve been privy to all these new, you know, concepts to do. And because I took care of myself back, you know, back even in the 70s, when I wore even earlier than that, because I knew I had a feeling that you needed to do that, of course, to get where I wanted to get that I do the perfect thing. No, I had I had I had put maybe sometimes look at too much party, but hey. But I’m grateful today for what’s available just to just to have that great basic wellness, and all these fantastic longevity doctors that are that are working to get the best of health at this time.
Robert Lufkin 24:24
Yeah, well, I want to come back to your personal lifestyle choices in a little bit. But before before we go there you as you’ve as you’ve mentioned, you’ve you’ve had a long history in longevity and you’ve you’ve created a number of great institutions, like a co founder and co director of people Unlimited, Executive Director of coalition for radical life extension, how are those different and if people want to get involved in the longevity space, which one should they join? Should they join both of them or what are the different roles that they have that be People could could work with.
James Strole 25:03
Yeah, thank you for asking that, I think to be honest, it would benefit them to have to join both because people unlimited. All right, is a very focused, and very, I’ll say, concentrated experience of super longevity. And we have a very, I’ll say dedicated group of people here in Scottsdale and throughout the world that are very, very involved and engaged, you might call them activists and super longevity. So we meet twice a week, right here in Scottsdale, we have a center here, we were reading virtually, but now we’re back in person again, okay. And we also have streaming members that come in from other parts of the country or world. And, and but we’re really focused, it’s kind of like a human trials setup. You know, because we, we try different therapies together, and we test them, we have a lot of speakers, everyone from you know, no Andrews to this parish to Buffalo in the union that come come through that we’re coming in person until the cabinet to COVID-19. But now Now, things are gonna open up and we’ll do more in person, you know, guests hadn’t come in, because it’s a great place to be they like to come there was only like to come here and speak to these people, because they’re very excited, energetic people about about the cause. So that’s the benefits of people Unlimited, you know, because you really have a network that is very close, and it’s really very consistent. Okay. But, you know, rad fest, and the Coalition for radical life extension is just great in itself too, because the network is very large. All right, we also have about 8000 members now already, and growing, and, and then a lot of other connections to wellness doctors, also entrepreneurs and so forth, that are very interested in seeing the coalition, prosper and benefit. And so there’s a lot of connections that people are able to draw from, you know, for their health and for support to do what they want to accomplish what they want to accomplish. And, and it’s a very exciting event Radbaz itself to come to and have over 1000 people who think like you do. And then, and then you know, what happens? That energetically is pretty amazing. So so the only downside, like I say, Wrath is is there. The community is not, as I’ll say, tight, there’s not as consistent in the movement yet. All right. But but it really pays the both two different organizations. So I would say yeah, if you can join both of them, they are your you strongly benefit. So you’re gonna I want you to choose is a good start.
Robert Lufkin 27:54
Well, I’m so excited about red Fest this year. This is the first time in many months that it will be live. And it’s going to be in San Diego in October and I’m actually going to be speaking in the program. But I’m most excited about hearing, getting to meet all the people there and hearing the the other speakers that are that are going to be there. You mentioned a couple of them earlier. Certainly loose Parrish has been a speaker on our program talking about a gene therapy for longevity. And I saw Aubrey de Grey ‘s name there. Yeah. From
James Strole 28:30
Andrews not to Greg Bay. Many many others now new also we have about almost a half of them are all say mainstay doctors or scientists that have a really I’ll say focus on aging Bristol, that have started in the beginning with us. And they’re always they’re always progressing like Dr. Bill Andrews, for example, will have some new announcements to make and his progress. Same with Ms. Perry. She just talked to her the other day and did an interview with her. She’s got some exciting new work as she’s been doing and gene therapies that I think are will be will really astounded people. And and then there’s, we have a entrepreneur that’s from well, actually, He’s based in Australia right now. And he’s working on a special blood tests, a very simple blood test that anyone can take to be inexpensive to detect cancer in the body. Any cancer, I can actually detect exactly where that cancer is that. So that’s, yeah, he’ll be he’s already beginning to launch that in Australia. And he’ll be launching that here in the United States soon. And he’ll be he’ll be launching it at
Unknown Speaker 29:44
Radness Oh, great. And that
James Strole 29:47
blood test right, that red vest,
Robert Lufkin 29:49
then wow, wow. That’s That’s great. And you do have a large technical exhibit area too with vendors and also if people want to see things like blood tests and other things that are available, is that longevity space that will be there also correct?
James Strole 30:06
Yeah, is that we call it the marketplace of the future. We’re very careful about who we actually let you know, display there. Because we want we don’t just want people just selling anything with some type of loose promise. We’ve evaluated all the all the exhibitors very strongly. And it’s people will be very impressed at what is available, and life changing protocols and, and supplements that people can utilize to actually advance their vascular health and, and possibly even slow aging.
Robert Lufkin 30:39
Yeah, yeah. Now, you also do online programs with the Coalition for radical life extension as well.
James Strole 30:48
Yes, we do webinars, every maybe three to four months special webinars with special guests, especially puppies, the last one was actually a topic on citizen scientists. And we brought in some citizen scientists working on everything from pet longevity, to other, you know, their, you know, enhancements that they’re working on. And it was a big success. Because, you know, the reality is, is that there’s always been citizen scientists around and they people don’t recognize that they’ve actually contributed to the field a lot. Especially, you know, my definition of the good citizen scientists, when they also collect the data, right? They’re not just, they’re not just going by symptoms, and they’re actually collecting the data and somebody’s do a really good job. And then they they’re able to a lot of times what’s going on with some of these scientists are actually working in that field. So So let’s help advance this is caused a lot themselves. Brian Delaney is a citizen scientists who you’ve met recently, and is he’s now working on actually a pretty big study on exosomes. And so we’re gonna get some good data from that pretty soon. One thing that is one thing to say, hey, these exosomes are great, it’s another thing to actually get the data as you know, they’re working right. Same thing for mice. And that’s why you’re doing rapamycin. And I commend you for that, because I think it’s such a great protocol. But we need to know the data.
Robert Lufkin 32:17
Absolutely, yeah, I’m, I’m a huge fan of cities of citizen scientists. And it’s almost some of the best ideas come from people who aren’t necessarily in the academic space, who might get a fresh look, looking at it, but but wherever you are in the space, whether you’re in a you know, an accurate academic university or, or a citizen scientist doing work yourself. The interesting thing about longevity research that I’ve noticed is that everyone shares a passion about it, that you don’t really see necessarily in breast cancer research or, or ankle research or other research. And somebody made the observation that well, the one thing about longevity research is that everybody in the field is going to get that disease and die of it eventually. So everybody who’s working on it has a personal self interest in it that you might not have with breast cancer or something else.
James Strole 33:21
And along with that, it’s such a lofty goal, that I think it also kind of raises the purpose within a person and have any any big purpose. You know, I think that’s one reason people deteriorate and die. They don’t have much Yeah. Everyone I’ve met in this field, including You are amazing people with a great sense of optimism, and, and really a great sense of humanity. And I think I think it’s you’re a special breed and it’s exciting everyone I mean I can say across the board that’s why rap Fest was so powerful people walk in and they go rush everybody’s so so warm and not fighting and I argued who has the best protocol they’re like all working together and and you know, yeah, there are some good debates that’s great, but they weren’t in each other’s throat and and and it’s amazing experience because you have these people who really all want this like you said they’re all gonna get they all get the same disease and we don’t have to cure it together.
Robert Lufkin 34:20
Yeah, and it’s it’s a win win we’re all working for the for the same thing. I always enjoyed this part of the show when I get to invite our guests say yourself as a as an expert in in longevity you’ve been in the field for 50 years you’re aware of the the latest things that are happening over that I I’d be curious if you don’t mind sharing with us what personal choices you’ve made in your lifestyle with with diet or supplements or exercise or or pharmaceuticals even that, that you think bring value as far as longevity and anti aging, you certainly don’t look your age, you probably get get carded going into a bar. That’s even more important.
James Strole 35:15
Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, I’ve always worked to have a good base. And I think that’s, you know, as Ray Kurzweil said, there’s three stages, you know, there’s the, there’s the, there’s the foundational health, okay? Then there’s the, you know, longevity arena, then there’s like moving into the, as he puts it, the cloud, you know, where we actually achieve immortality. And so, but you have to have that base, too often people will think, Well, I’m not going to take care of myself, you know, because this new protocol is coming. And I’ll just take a pill and and solve everything. Well, we have seen that that really doesn’t work very well. Okay. If you’re in some type of, you know, unhealthy critical state or just even basically unhealthy, the protocol doesn’t work is good. And sometimes you aren’t, sometimes they won’t even let you into the study or, or let you have the, like Greg Vaes, has qualifications and so will be of help because they’re, you know, they don’t want to risk you know, Korean created a conflict with an already weak body. So, so we had to keep our but again, you enjoy life better when you’re healthy, right? So, so just do the basic protocols. And as time has passed on, for me, I’ve learned more and more good ones. I mean, I’ve always been a been a, a fan of cleanses, because I think the body needs to cleanse that cleanse out all the time. In fact, I was talking to a scientist yesterday who’s a regenerative sciences, who was telling me that he actually thinks as a key, one of the key things for Super longevity is really getting rid of the deterioration that’s there in the body of the zombie cells, and costs. That’s what senolytics is about to using those. And ridding ourselves faster of the waste than we saw that were written ourselves shedding the waste faster than we then we have, that we’re collecting it. And then that gives the body an opportunity to to constantly regenerate itself more and more all the time. So that’s why I have his you know, there’s he’s gonna talk more about a red vest and, and there’s a lot of details in there, I won’t even attempt to go into but it’s pretty profound is talk with me. So, but so I’ve always done that cleanses run down the line, trying to eat as good as I can eat. Now, basically, at this point, things change. Of course, I’m more or less an a superfood diet, you might say, along with kind of a, I’ll say, is a modified paleo program devised by Dr. Michael rose, who’s who believe in evolutionary sense that if we’ll eat lay down, like our ancestors will hit what’s called an immortality plateau. Okay, and then from there, that will that we maintain our health there, and then as the advancements come, will be not only available to them, but will will benefit from them so much more. So that basically involves a paleo diet. But it also involves leaving out some of the every grain, for example, maybe a little rice, but not of vegetables. If you’ve got to change, you can actually do more of a paleo vegetarian program on paleo, but I eat a little meat, very light meat. And so I’ve been able to maintain, you know, a good strength and that’s a key thing to get, you want to get stronger every day, even if it’s a fraction. So I do things along with that. I do a number of things I probably do. I probably have a 30 protocol list, right? And I do these five or six of them every day from I don’t know if you ever heard about this spinning thing where you spend 21 Time to the left and spinning the spin 121 Time to the right. Okay, that’s a great thing for bounce. Okay, for anybody, especially as you mature, it helps got, you know, the cerebral cortex gets, you know, as kids, we used to do that spin, spin spin, so you fall on the ground. Now, if you try and spinning, I would guarantee you, if you’d have done it, probably two or three spins one way or the other way, you’d be pretty dizzy, okay, but you build yourself up gradually to 21 both ways. And it’s amazing for the balance if I’ve been doing that. I tested myself I go to an osteo strong gym here in town, which helps build the bone density and strength and when they test my balance, you know, I’m off the charts and I think that’s the major reason from that study. Know that I do every day. So I do a lot of protocols like that from breathing exercises, William William
is name is that the Iceman, you know? Who does the breathing way In cold waters, I get cold depths, or you may pull on infrared sauna stretching as you build training, things like that it’s a resistance training. Also, like I mentioned this osteostrong program so those are the base of my wellness along with a good at fundamental fundamentals just like I said, there’s a list that I do but I can’t go over them all right now but that’s the big that’s that’s the big ones. And then as far as any of the age reversal protocols now they’ve engaged in I want to do right amount rapamycin, which I found is starting soon, but I’m watching you and see how you do. And others another doubleu I’m checking that out. I want to I do low dose naltrexone, I think that’s been pretty amazing. For me at this level of inflammation, or getting that information out of the body. I really love that I think it’s been great a lot of my other colleagues and friends who do it and had some amazing results, you know, arthritis fundamentally going away etc. You know, joint pain. I do actually builds on full body exosomes. Weiss, some of the top best quality exosomes that’s available. I’ve done in ag, I do an ad periodically Navodaya injections that mostly do the oral but I think the injections are great too, especially if you want to, you know, boost yourself quickly. Eliminate mind fog is great for so many so many people who have mind fog, maybe addictions and so forth. It really helps clear the mind. And so I do a lot quite a regimen of supplements. Everything from superfood supplements to Life Extension has a product called Aqua Centrelink activator. Okay, it’s been I’ve been very successful in taking that. In fact, I had a knee injury about 12 years ago, and my knee was really sore back from it for up until about a year ago when I started taking the activists intellect activator. And that that joint pain when were familiar with all the way I mean, I didn’t have any of my energy lifted from that it’s pretty remarkable response I had to not take all the basic supplements and vitamins, you know. Vitamin D, though see, the astephen as cod downside, I get into the all these right, acid Xanthan and many others on that level. That doctor, I followed a lot with Dr. Kaufman, and her cognitive protocol book recommends that you get familiar with that. Program. Yeah. And she’s done a great job of analyzing these supplements, and what works, what doesn’t. It’s a remarkable book, and we’re really grateful. But she She’s another one that made such a great contribution to rad fast and will be here this next year with a new book. Great. So that’s pretty much the summary. I mean, I could go on and on, because I have plenty. But you know what people can say, Oh, that’s a lot you do, or that’s too much. You know, how do you do too much for your help? You know, I don’t just take things randomly either. I shouldn’t say you have to be safe about it. Okay, I get blood tests, I do what my doctor recommends I try not to do anything that you know, has a reaction there. And I haven’t had any problems along those lines. But wow, is it when you really want to live and want to be healthy. It’s exciting to do things for your health. We have to change your mindset around that, though. I don’t want you to think that much. I don’t want to exercise. I don’t want to, you know, how much time do we spend destroying our bodies? And then the question is, how much time do we want to spend on our bodies and making ourselves healthier? Because health as you know, and everyone knows, consciously is the greatest gift we can have. Yeah, absolutely. human right to have it.
Robert Lufkin 44:00
Yes, absolutely. Several of our guests have mentioned fasting and I do any fasting protocol.
James Strole 44:08
Yes. I’m sorry. Fasting. I yeah, I just going down a route, you know. Yeah, fasting is, I think is is enormous. So I fast, probably three times a week, you know, 16 to 17 hours. And so that was you know, good for me. I’m 190 pounds sick, but six foot four. So I’m probably ideal for my weight.
Robert Lufkin 44:29
Mm hmm. Excellent. Well, whatever you’re doing, you’re doing it right. It looks like Yeah. That’s great. Well, thank thanks so much for being on the program before we before we step away. Maybe you could just take a moment and tell our listeners, how they can reach you on social media and the website. We’re gonna put them in the show notes, but some of our people are listening on a podcast or riding your bikes or something. So if you wouldn’t mind just a Telling them, they can get it to it that way, as well.
James Strole 45:04
Absolutely. Yeah, the best way to reach me personally, you can reach me. My, actually, my personal email is JR firstname.lastname@example.org. I’m happy to hear from you. You know, like all of us, we’re busy. But as soon as you right away, I will get to you. I have a team that will respond to you too. And, and then, yeah, let me hear your comments and questions and interact. Awesome, you can call our we have a team that works in our people in the office and the coalition office. So you can go to our L e coalition.com. And you can go to our website there for the coalition. And it shows all the contact information, it shows information that you can, you know, go to our website for rad fest, actually, which is www rad fest as our ad fast FAS t.com. And there you can see what the event is all about October 6 to nine is when the next rad Fest will be live in San Diego. I want to invite you, if you can’t really afford to be there, because this is about your life. And we’re building, we’re building momentum numbers matter. We want to build a huge form of people that you know, really draw the attention to this great work. And we started giving our efforts to build a this world instead of an ourselves instead of destroying it. And we can do that by office working together. So go to that site. And you can you know, join there, you can register there for rad fest. And we’re always happy to hear from you. There’s numbers on both those sites, you can reach the office asking me questions. We’re very available to people on that level, because that’s what we’re about.
Robert Lufkin 46:45
Right. Well, thanks so much for spending an hour with us today, Jim and hearing about the great work you’re doing and I’m personally so excited to see everyone in October in at RAD Fest in San Diego and and thanks again for everything.
James Strole 47:02
We’re excited to Thank you, Robert. We’re excited to see you in San Diego and thank you so much for having me on your show.
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