048-Charles Mattocks: Reversing Type 2 Diabetes

The message that metabolic disease can be treated and even reversed with lifestyle must extend beyond scientific meetings and reach the individuals who can directly benefit. Today’s guest is using the reality TV show format to show that the archetypical metabolic disease, type 2 diabetes, can be reversed with lifestyle. 

The series ReverseD is the brain child of Charles Mattocks, an award winning film producer, as well as, an international diabetes advocate. Charles has made appearances on major talks shows around the country from CNN to Dr. Oz. He was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes in 2011 at the age of 38. He started a global mission for not only his life, but also for the millions struggling with diabetes.





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Robert Lufkin 0:01
Welcome back to the health longevity Secret show and I’m your host, Dr. Robert Lufkin. The message that metabolic disease can be treated and even reversed with lifestyle must extend beyond scientific meetings and reach the individuals who can directly benefit. Today’s guest is using the reality TV show format to show that the Artic typical metabolic disease type two diabetes can be reversed with lifestyle.

The television series reverse D is the brainchild of Charles Mannix, an award winning film producer as well as an International Diabetes advocate. Charles has made appearances on major talk shows around the country from CNN to Dr. Oz. He was diagnosed with type two diabetes in 2011, at the age of 38. He then started a Global Mission not only for his life, but also for the millions struggling with diabetes.

Charles Mattocks 1:05
My name is Charles 12 years ago, I was diagnosed with type two diabetes. It set me on a journey to better understand his condition. It’s taken me around the world, as I hope to change not only my life, but others living with this disease. I’ve teamed up with some of the best in health to find ways to not only control but to reverse, it does not take much to live for others. And what we leave is how we will be remembered. I hope at the end of this journey, we will see that hope is a good thing, and the start of a better future. Welcome to reversed

Robert Lufkin 1:53
and now, please enjoy this interview with Charles Maddix. Hey, Charles, welcome to the show. Thanks so much for having me, Robert. Hey, I you you and I think share a common vision to to help people understand that that metabolic dysfunction such as type two diabetes can be reversed with with lifestyle changes in most cases. And but before we dive into that, I want to just take one moment to acknowledge that you are a nephew of someone who is one of the true pioneers of a reggae music and it’s as ranked as one of the top 15 musical greatest musical artists of all time by Rolling Stone magazine. And that of course is Bob Marley. And he’s affected hundreds of millions of people people’s lives for the better with his with his beautiful music and if you if you people in the audience haven’t listened to his his music, give it a lesson. It’s really beautiful. So yeah, yeah, no pressure going forward here

Unknown Speaker 3:12
until that philosophy which all wineries Superia and another in Korea.

Robert Lufkin 3:20
All right. I love it. I love it. My dreads off back in college I think

but let’s let’s dive into your into your your history and I just be curious and how you got how you got interested in this fascinating area.

Charles Mattocks 3:50

Yeah, you know it as far as diabetes, it wasn’t until I was diagnosed with diabetes and and the crazy thing is, I was in my 30s and I knew nothing about diabetes. And and at that point I was doing this whole you know, celebrity chef thing I had cookbooks out I had you know spice lines and it was all it was all about this healthy but affordable eating and and and I’ll tell you why. But I was actually going to the gym at least three four times a week. Unfortunately, I wasn’t doing a whole lot of cardio when I was at the gym I was one of those guys who was just you know hitting the weights and stuff like that. And one day i i was using the bathroom a little bit too much at a friend of mines house so urinating and I kind of said what is this what? So I kind of say you know, let me let me go and just go to it was a Saturday and and I had a regular doctor had been seen and I’m kind of one of those guys. I’m always going to just go to the doctor just just make sure I get Check just because. And so it was a Saturday. And I said, let me just go and see what they say. And I figured literally, I’d go in there and tell him something and you’d walk out with some antibiotics or something, right? And he came back and said, Do you have a family history of diabetes, and this was only with a finger prick. And I said, diabetes, I was literally when I say I was in fear of my life. I was like diabetes, I didn’t know what to say. He said, Well, I could put you on some medication. And I thought medication, you know, I mean, this guy was just meant not even 10 minutes, is ready to put me on medication based on a fingerprint. You know, and I had just eaten some, some Chinese rice, I think I had some fruit juice and stuff like that. So my numbers had to be a little bit elevated, you know, past the norm. And I just said, No, that’s, that’s, that’s okay. And I literally just got into the car, I felt I didn’t know what to settings until my friend because I was so scared of being diagnosed with something. Then when I went home, and literally just got online, and just started looking up what diabetes was, you know, we’re gonna die from it, what what, you know what to eat, so on, so forth. So I kind of battled that, in what, what, what I was going to do with the next steps, because while he was ready to put me on medication, he gave me no blueprint of going forward. Now, you know, he didn’t say, hey, you know, maybe you need to cut back on some weight, maybe you need to do this, do that change diet, to exercising. So that’s really how I started to, I open that door, and said, you know, how many other people are like me, that walk into a doctor’s office and just get told, you know? Oh, I’m sorry about that. How many other people are like me that walk into a doctor’s office and get told, you know, you you have diabetes? And this is what this is what it’s going to be?

Robert Lufkin 7:12
Yeah, yeah. I mean, even the, even the, the concept of diabetes, what it is, can be, can be very confusing. And I listened to several of your doctors, talk about it and present the ideas to you in one of your programs that we’ll be talking about later. But and these, these are intelligent doctors, and they’re, they’re explaining it correctly, scientifically, but I’m just thinking, it’s very confusing, even to me as as one who works in this space, just to hear it explained about, you know, the insulins too high, or the insolence too low, and there’s insulin resistance and the glucose, and it’s, it’s very, it’s very confusing. I’ve often I mean, I’ve often wondered if, you know, as we as we understand it better and better. We’re understanding its relationship to carbohydrates, and all and one person is suggested that, why don’t we rename diabetes, carbohydrate toxicity, sort of call it what it is, and then people would know that, to, you know, stay away from carbohydrates. For many people, for most people, the diabetes will go away.

And that would simplify the diagnosis. And all a lot as well, rather than all the confusion with the, with the different names and everything.

Charles Mattocks 8:43 So true, so true.

Robert Lufkin 8:45
But it certainly it’s when when you were diagnosed with diabetes, how did you consider it because I’ve been thinking a lot about it myself. But did you think of it as something that you, you know, that you got from your parents that was beyond your control? Or how did you how did you think about that?

Charles Mattocks 9:12
No, to the contrary, like I said, when I got back from the doctor’s office, I literally went to look in the mirror. And at that point, I probably had needed to lose about 20 pounds. So I looked in the mirror and I said, bro, you you need to lose weight. That’s the first thing you know, maybe even 25 pounds. Because like I said, I was doing a lot of this lifting, so I was really bulky. And then of course, you know, my diet wasn’t right. So I didn’t have anybody in my, my, my close family that that had diabetes. My aunt ended up you know, who has diabetes, but, you know, you know, that’s, that’s my mother’s half sister and so on and so forth. But I knew I knew knew what I was doing. I knew it was based on my diet, I knew it was based on lack of, you know, proper exercise I knew it was based on, on, you know, what I was doing as far as you know, the weight lifting and things like that, and the weight that I needed to come off. So what I did was, like I said, it’s so much confusion as far as diabetes, what to eat, what not to eat, so on, so forth. And the Internet didn’t help me at all. So I just said, You know what I’m going to, I’m going to do God’s diet. So I figured I would just cut down everything, I would just start eating water, drinking water, lean meat, some fish, and get rid of all the carbs and the starch and sugars and stuff like that I did have some, some some some vegetable. But I started to do nothing but cardio. So I started just doing a lot of walking and then kind of elevated up to jogging, got rid of all the weightlifting. And literally within 30 days, I probably lost about 1520 pounds. And so while I’m I was probably doing keto and didn’t even realize I was doing low carb or keto. Because nobody told me about that I had no idea about that, that it even existed. And that’s probably that’s pretty much how I got back on track and lost the weight and kind of, you know, then said in the biggest scheme of things, I want to tell my story. And what happened was, I started to shoot like a documentary because I thought, you know, what I what I want to do is, is put this to share my story for somebody else who may be going through what I’m going through. So I found a doctor found a sponsor, he wanted to help out with the with the shooting this thing, we started shooting it. But as I started shooting it, I started to get aware of the business of health, whether it’s food companies, whether it’s pharmaceutical companies, whether it’s the patient’s themselves, and it was mind blowing. And it was like peeling back layers. And I was like, wow, I had no idea any of this even existed. And at that point, I said, You know what, I want to be the biggest thing in diabetes to be able to help make change. And, of course, there’s not many people who look like me who are doing what, what, what I’m trying to do. So it actually it worked in my favor, because you know, that back that time you contacted

certain companies, if you were fortunate enough to get to the person who actually could make a decision. It was it was a good sell. Because there there weren’t a lot and still not a lot of people who are in my position who were trying to make change in diabetes and overall health. So that’s kind of how things started to kind of progress. And from from that little seed right there. You know,

Robert Lufkin 12:46
yeah, it’s so important. Yeah, to get that message out there. I think the the latest CDC figures that I saw were that 1/3 of adults are pre diabetic and the given what we know about diabetes, there’s probably another a third of people who are early pre diabetic, but they don’t meet the diagnostic criteria, you know, and all these things, but it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s a huge problem. And it’s getting worse and worse. And I’ve always been struck, like you say, by the business of diet, the business of medicine, and it’s, it’s, you know, if I want to, if I want to give a talk about insulin, there are drug companies that will pay me to, you know, to give a lecture or something as a, you know, as a physician, if I want to write a prescription for, you know, someone’s insulin, there are drug companies that will pay me for doing that. But if I want to just tell the patient that they can, in many cases, get off insulin and ever need it, just by avoiding carbohydrates, you know, refined carbohydrates. No one, no one will pay for it. And even that’s very difficult to do in the 15 minute visit that, that the modern healthcare system allows for people so much so that the, the business incentives are really aligned against people finding out about some of the lifestyle possibilities that they can they can do and even even the lifestyle message I think I was diagnosed as pre diabetic and I got the message to you know, eat better and exercise more. And, and I, I went to find out what eat better looked like and, you know, at least to me, it was very confusing. It was well you can eat low carb, you could eat low fat you could eat you know, there, there are dozens of different types of ways to eat and there didn’t seem to be a clear message, even from the even from the American diabetic Association in America. Heart Association. It wasn’t clear. So I think what you’re doing to get the message out there and actually show people that, hey, if you do this, whatever it is it works. And here’s here it is. That’s, that’s, that’s really beautiful. And yeah, I think you and and the first, the first program, as you mentioned was about your own journey with with diabetes and and everything. And that’s available online, I think and we’ll talk about that, where to access it later on the show. But I, I’ve watched it, it’s, it’s beautiful and very informative. And it’s great just to see an individual going through that experience, like you’ve done. But then thank you, then going beyond that you decided to actually use kind of the reality TV format with with with a few people and follow them through. Can you talk about that a little bit?

Charles Mattocks 16:08
Yeah, that was called reversed. And the interesting thing with reversed is, I made that because I had created the first ever RV testing you. And one day I was actually in Walmart and I saw the big red bus and I thought, Why isn’t there one left one of these for diabetes, you know, I mean, in the parking lots of Walmart, people can go and get tested, whatever. So I contacted Shire who had supported me on the documentary. And I said I got an idea. And they loved it. And they contacted their ad agency who Robert and I’ve got stories for days. But I remember I used to contact this ad agency in Well, the big one of the biggest in the world. And I used to contact

them and try to pitch them on something and nobody would give me the time of the day. Now all of a sudden, they love it. And it’s and fly Charles out to New York, and I’m in nice hotels and first class getting ready to now work with the company who has ignored me for for over a year. So I created this because I said you know what? I wanted to find a way to reach people, right? In the comfort of their own homes. Right? So because if we could reach people who are living with diabetes, hypertension, and hypertension and other comorbidities, right in their own homes, how many people could we actually touch right? Because, you know, giving out pamphlets in a doctor’s office and things like that, and, and occasional PSA or something like that with some celebrity is not touching the average person, the average person looks doesn’t, you know, when you think of diabetes looks like, you know, something that, you know, that that is not recognizable by, you know, Nick Jonas or, or Reverend run, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s regular people. So. So that’s why we created that. And I tell you, when I came up with it, because the name reverse does, it is not about reversing diabetes, it’s about reversing the mental, physical, physical and emotional state of the person. Because if you’re able to tap into a person’s mind and into a person’s heart into a person’s actions, they will make the changes themselves. But I want to say man, Aflac, that I got with that name reversed was like, I mean, people in diabetes, and this was years ago, obviously, this was before people were talking about reversing diabetes, or was still that taboo. And, you know, people would literally be like, you know, I mean, write articles and you know, with the name reversed. And we have an even after I’ve explained to them that it wasn’t about reversing diabetes, per se, even though I knew that the person would make the change, they would still go at it. So we were definitely on the cutting edge. I locked myself away for weeks trying to find a sponsor. And to be honest, Robert was blown away, because all the all the usual suspects that you would think would jump out the woodworks and say, We want to be a part of a show that can reach people with diabetes, none of them. I’m talking about from big labs that we know, to pharmaceutical companies to device companies. Everybody told me no. And it literally was just It was heartbreaking. Until one company said yes, and that was mankind, which makes the inhaled insulin a Frezza. And, you know, I got a great, great relationship. I love my CEO. And they took a chance on us and we did a beautiful, beautiful first season of this beautiful thing called So, it definitely is very, you wonder at times, you know, because especially, I’ve done keynote speeches for big companies like Pfizer and so on and so forth, and Astra Zeneca and, and you hear them talk about change and wanting to reach people with diabetes. And sometimes it blows me away. Because I’m, you know, I’ll set you know, I’m very forward, I’ll pull the executive aside and say, Listen, this is what I got. I got something that could reach people, and they just they don’t, it’s, it doesn’t motivate it. It doesn’t motivate. And it’s it’s mind blowing, to be honest with you.

Robert Lufkin 20:38
And when season remind me what were the dates of season one, when was that? Oh,

Charles Mattocks 20:44
man, I’m bad with dates. That was probably about four years ago now. Okay. Yeah, years ago now. And that aired on Discovery life and a great feedback. So look, great show. We shot that in Jamaica mattify. Matter of fact, we actually visited the Bob Marley Museum and stuff like that, and, but I wanted to kind of go back to my roots. And we didn’t focus per se, because at this

point, I still didn’t know about keto and intimate fasting and, and things like that. But we did probably use a low carb diet, and they were able to make amazing change. So we were on the right path and on the right road. And it wasn’t until, you know, the season two, that, you know, I was fully aware and understood what you know, intermittent fasting and ketogenic and carnivore and things like that was so, you know, that’s how we kind of implemented this for for season two.

Robert Lufkin 21:47
Yeah, and, and, and just for audience, we both agreed there’ll be no spoilers. So if you haven’t seen those, listen to the rest of this interview. But there’s some great things in there. But for season two, I have to say, Charles, you I mean, what a task. I’m filming that I think it was during the middle of COVID. Then and yeah, yes, we’re people who are at high risk for COVID by being diabetic, metabolically, ill, and one person had a, you know, the HIV history, which puts Jerome at risk also. So, yeah, how did you overcome all those obstacles?

Charles Mattocks 22:27
You know, Matt, and I got to thank you really wonderful people, you can’t get people involved in this, without them having passion. So when we look at, you know, Dr. Ken Berry, who I love, Maria Emmerich. And the guests that, you know, that that all were avail available to come, it really was, it really was a passion, you know, Dr. Carl, shallow horn, it was it was, it was a passionate, they, they saw a need and a way to share their passion. And honestly, they just said, Hey, none of them were really worried. I mean, you know, Maria came all the way from Hawaii, can, you know, left his family to come be with us, we made sure we followed as many protocols as we could, because, you know, we’re not a big production company, like, like, NBC or something like that. So everybody got tested, before they came, and then, you know, got tested when they got there. And before they left. And trust me, I was definitely nervous. Because, you know, it only took we would only take one person to come, you know, spoil the whole bunch, and we could have been stuck in, in Costa Rica an extra two weeks or something like that. So it definitely was, was a an interesting situation. But it came from passion. And all the guests that work with me, a lot of the guests at work with me in the past, and they they know, you know, the type of person that I am and the passion that I have. And, you know, a lot of times when I call on them, they say, Hey, I’m ready, Charles, you know, and we have a great time. It’s a beautiful family type atmosphere. But we knew we had something that could change the lives and that’s really more important than anything.

Robert Lufkin 24:18
Yeah, I really enjoyed your approach to the to the whole series that it wasn’t just about, you know, like, oh, you can’t eat this or some kind of you know, restricted thing was more a warm, loving lifestyle that everyone would embrace that involves, like you say, mental health and spirituality and so meditation there it was a all all encompassing process project that yeah, I won’t give away the result, but I think that people will be a fairy interest. Yeah, see how it all turns out? Yeah, and And they they cast the cast the the people in the in the program were wonderful both both the the participants are the subjects and then they, like you say all the experts that you had come in and give, share their wisdom and and all it was. It was really

beautiful. And I liked you did the where are they now episode the last episode? I think sort of after a few a few months? Yeah, kind of looking back and seeing all that. Are we going to see more more of that kind of going? Are we going to continue on following up with this people? Or will there be more there definitely a season three?

Charles Mattocks 25:45
That, you know, honestly, I would love to do with season three, four, and five, I think that, you know, it could really be endless because the information is out there. And the lives that we can change. I mean, I think when we talk about ketogenic and fasting and things like that, that we’re only reaching a small number, and there are millions who could actually, you know, take advantage of lifestyle that we know really helps, it really works and really changes lives. And it once you see the show and see especially the last episode, it’s mind blowing what what what we’re able to do with with diabetes, and what they’re able to do with diabetes once they have the information and education. So yeah, we’re always, you know, trying to find some great partners. And I think, you know, what I hope on each season is that we’re able to make such an impact that partners come to us and say, Hey, listen, we love what you’re doing. How could we be involved? And you know, we’re literally just trying to get the get the program done. I’m not trying to buy any new Bentley’s Rolls Royces or houses or anything like that, we’re just trying to get a great program done and, and get the message out. Like I was telling you, I think of I feel like, I’m the Martin Luther King of what I’m doing here. Because, you know, like Bob Marley said, it takes a revolution to make a solution. And that’s really what we’re trying to do was make a solution out of a revolution, because to be honest with you, if it doesn’t change now, when will it change? If we can’t wake people up right now, when so many people are awake, a woke and so many people are focused on, you know, their health, and they have to stay healthy because of, you know, COVID and other issues that complicate life? If we can do it now, when will we do it? You know, we’ve got a great program here that really can help people change their lives. And, you know, I shouldn’t have to be fighting so hard, you know, to get a company to say, you know, that’s making millions, if not billions, to say, hey, let’s let’s let’s give them you know, a couple of dollars, so they can go out here and create a program that can that can benefit everyone, you know?

Robert Lufkin 28:03
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I’m, I’m struck by it. In the midst of the COVID epidemic, we hear about a lot of different things that are important, but our metabolic health and diet. Diabetes as a primary manifestation of metabolic health is one of the greatest risk factors for COVID You know, a lot of people get sick with it, but some people just brush it off and other people drop dead. God bless them, you know, and it’s, it’s it that message is getting out there as well. Also, but you, you, as you mentioned, were diagnosed with diabetes. And I assume you were able to control it now.

Charles Mattocks 28:50
Yeah, yeah. Like I said, I never really took those medications you know, I had gotten prescribed Metformin 500 milligrams, and you know, I think I might have taken some at first and and I just say, you know, not when that doctor gave him some but but I don’t know I sometimes I feel like

I did it for you know, some kind of sci fi or whatever like that if I slipped up but it when I started to really understand you know, ketogenic intermittent fasting and, and really utilizing that to to change my life and change my health. I didn’t take any medication and yeah, I my numbers are fantastic. I stay in ketosis per se, if that’s what you want to call it. You know, do we have these we slip up we should do but but you know, you know how to get back on it and get right where you need to be. So it’s been a blessing and I’m excited for more people to find out about this and because, you know, I think that people just believe that if the doctor tells you this is what you need, that’s it. And there’s nothing else because once again, they give you no other follow up plan, there’s no other, there’s no how to eat prescription, there’s no, there’s no how to exercise prescription is no, is just a prescription that needs to be filled at a pharmacy. So, you know, pick it people become aware they will make the change. And right now is the time for change.

Robert Lufkin 30:25
After all, you’ve gone through with a diagnosis and now reversing it in yourself. And then doing these these projects with all these all these beautiful, interesting people. How have you changed in the process? or what have you realized about yourself going through all of this?

Charles Mattocks 30:43
Oh, you know, to be honest, it’s only fired me up a lot more. Because, you know, we hear no a lot. And and I think sometimes when I think of someone who may be in a hospital who’s dealing with something, you know, let’s say it’s diabetes related, you know, whether it’s heart issues, or whatever it may be amputation, or whatever it may be, I think, you know, does that person worry about if if I knock on a door and get rejected if that that person doesn’t care, at work, that person doesn’t care if we call it like the ADA, a person with diabetes or diabetes, diabetic, you know, they don’t get it. You know, somebody who’s sitting in a hospital right now dealing with some serious complications, does not say, Hey, listen to call me to politically correct name a person living with diabetes. And you see that type of stuff going on too, as well. So I fight for those people fight. So it has made me more resilient in the sense of, you know, you know, that you the fighting against the machine. And I like to say at times, you know, a lot of times these people, they don’t need to market to diabetes, because it’s like having the only gas station within 100 miles you don’t have to market. So they know that millions of people every year going to get diabetes, be diagnosed with diabetes, and they can lay back Be quiet and just have the have them prescribe the medicine. So it’s a it’s a terrible system that we can change. And, you know, there are a few who are really trying to get out there. And I see a lot of people who, you know, you look at Ken’s videos, you get Dr. Jason’s funds, videos, I mean, some four or 5 million views. So there are people who want to know about this, we just got to kind of rally around, you know each other and really work together. I think within the health community. A lot of people don’t have their podcast, they’ll do something here, they’ll do some. But we have to really do a better job and really cohesively working together because I think that if we did that, it could be a game changer. So pulling in, you know, Jason Fung, and keto Mojo and keto Chow and re Emmerich and you know, can bear that that’s a blessing when I look at that, and I say, man, if we could continue doing this and bring on other big names, as well, like yourself, Robert, what could we do? It?

Robert Lufkin 33:10
Yeah, those people you mentioned are all superstars it was great great just hearing hearing from them at all. Well for for any sponsors that are out here listening and also for for audiences Well, what what’s on your wish list? Charles or what? What would you what would you like to do? What What would you like help with? What what do you see the future? What’s what’s coming up? We can look forward to hopefully,

Charles Mattocks 33:38
yeah, I’m really excited. I’m working on a show called reverse the church. And also one is called body is that temple I body is that temple is is like a two part Docu series. So what we’re going to do is we’re going to go into the black church, to identify and really put a put a face to understanding what is going on as their health in the black church, but also as far as the black community, right, so really dispelling this disparities that are taking place within a black community that also affect the black church. And you could hear me just fine. Yeah, yeah. Oh, good. Hold on one second, we can turn them over. All right. So so so that is the main project right now and in reverse the churches is kind of like a more of a docu reality a docu series, a TV TV series that we are going to go into the church and identify tell them amazing stories, but then also figure out a way to show them how to change their lives. And and and we know that with with some simple changes, that someone can go from one one space to another space with just some simple simple educational tool. So you know, we What I love some big company to say, hey, we want to get behind this and, and help us get the word out there. Of course, I think that even when we look at pharmaceutical companies, and I’m just using an example, they benefit too, because identifying people who have diabetes, you know, pre diabetes, it could be in the millions as far as people who need to know and be tested. Right. So I think that this benefits the overall and even when we look at that, a healthier patient is is always a better patient, we don’t want people who are getting sick and dying, we don’t want people who have to go through, you know, exhaust the, the insurance system because they need to, you know, get this test done, or that amputation or these, you know, eyeglasses or whatever it may be because of these complications. So, I think that this really helps benefit everyone, we just got to get past some of these, you know, terrible ad agencies that stand in the way of an end to 5000 vice presidents at one company that have no power to do anything, and don’t get it up to the right people. It’s a like I said, it’s a crazy game, and it’s a SAG game, but but we’re we’re making a lot of progress. We’ve got some great partners, that we’re teaming up with some big celebrity names that are coming on board. And we’re going to keep doing doing what we do.

Robert Lufkin 36:27
If it’s offline, I think before the show you and I were talking a little bit about how it’s it’s so fascinating that many of the the lifestyle choices that will help reverse diabetes will also there, we’re now understanding they can also reverse or lower our risk for heart attack, our risk for Alzheimer’s disease risk, or all sorts of chronic diseases and even even improve our longevity. And these may be these might be great programs for you in the future with these the same same sorts of things. It’s really amazing. Of this, of the types of you mentioned a little bit of the things you do if you don’t mind. Would you mind just telling us what you now knowing what

you know, of having gone through this and hearing from all these experts and all this, all this experience? What choices do you make in your your own lifestyle? You mentioned a little bit about your diet, but yeah, could you go elaborate on that a bit.

Charles Mattocks 37:39
Definitely. I’m a big, I love intermittent fasting. And I might even fast at times for a day or two just overall. I love the reset that that does. And then of course, keto. So I’m a big you know, I’m vegan into into you know, I wouldn’t say carnivore, full carnivore, but very strict, as far as keto, everything from what I drink, as far as even just overall I do a lot of walking, a lot of exercising, I stay away per se from, from lifting weights and all of that stuff like that, really just focus on the cardio side of things and take, you know, some some great supplements as well. And, you know, everything from some yoga and meditation, but you know, as far as diet, and that’s concerned, be ketogenic, and probably I eat only twice a day per se. And I tried to break it up so that I can get long terms of intermittent fasting. So you know, I had my bacon and eggs this morning. But, you know, so that was a lovely truth, you know,

Robert Lufkin 38:50
at least it wasn’t cereal. So that’s

it learning to but so the programs are available, we’ll put the links down in the show notes. And right now they’re they’re free to watch currently on on those sites. So hopefully everyone will be able to, to visit those and take advantage of it. We’re gonna list them in the show notes, but maybe would you mind telling people just telling them what how they can follow you on social media and also where they can access these shows?

Charles Mattocks 39:32
Definitely, definitely, it’s hard. It’s not hard to find me it’s Charles maddix.com is my website. Me ttoc ks calm. Charles Maddix num in the number one on Twitter and Instagram, things like that. Our website is Bella and a nd le media.com. But we created a new network. It’s all health network is it asked where you could find a lot of programs, and that’s called your health network. So it’s why you are health and then network.com, but also on Roku and Fire TV, just type in your health network. And you can watch all these programs free of charge and some great documentaries and great TV shows and, and we’re working on some new ones too, we, you know, the goal is to, is to create, you know, and even find people like yourself, Robert, who have maybe a reality series and more or a docu series or a two part series, and create a place where people can go who are into health and have a network that’s just dedicated on these platforms to to to hell, so we’re working on a TV series a cooking series, but kind of reality ish it ish with with Maria Emmerich. And then also a show with Dr. Ken Berry, so it would kind of follow Dr. Ken at home with his family, and things like that as a father and husband, but also as as the great educator that he is. So making it fun and interesting, taking some of the best people who are out there and giving them a platform.

Robert Lufkin 41:14

I’m looking forward to hearing all of those that sounds great. And, and the one with reversing the church is that is what how soon when will the next one be out? Do you think that we can see,

Charles Mattocks 41:27
we’ll probably start working on our bodies, that temple, I’m hoping in the next two and a half months. You know, everybody is kind of slow getting back here. So we’re kind of waiting for them to get back to us. So we can, you know, get started and put that together and it’ll be a fast shoot, we’ll probably shoot for maybe a month and a half and then edit for a few months. And you know, hopefully within the next six, seven months we’ll have our bodies I temple out and working at the same time on verse a church.

Robert Lufkin 41:58
Thank you so much Charles for taking an hour to spend with us today. It was it was wonderful to get to know you better. And thanks so much for the for the great work that you’re doing.

Charles Mattocks 42:10
Thanks for having me and look forward to to sharing this and then changing some lives to get.

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